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16  General Category / All Things Lincoln Assassination / Re: Thomas Davis on: April 12, 2014, 08:52:12 PM
Yep, just adding the citation for those who are interested.  Wink While I'm thinking about it, I read Peanut's
statement a couple of times and realized that he was sitting on the carpenters bench, but the bench was 15 feet from the rear door of Ford's Theatre. When he heard the shot, he got up and led the horse toward the rear door and when he came within 5 feet of it, he saw Booth run out. Peanut had hold of the horses bridle and was facing Booth as he came out. Booth was right handed and struck Peanut after he mounted, so he would have to mount the horse from the left side because Peanut was on the right holding the horses bridle.

Then Booth kicked him!    .........no tip.....nothing! Angry
 



17  General Category / All Things Lincoln Assassination / Thomas Davis on: April 12, 2014, 08:09:46 PM
This website http://www.thedeathoflincoln.com/Purchase.html by Mary Kauffman states that Thomas Davis,
(farmhand of Dr Mudd) took care of Booth and Herold's horses after arriving at the Mudd farm. Davis also stated that Booth''s mare had a badly swollen left front shoulder and a fresh cut on its leg.

The following statements, found in ( 4;255-60,DW,Poore II:375, III;300, Pitman 195,200) cite injuries to
BOTH HORSES;

Thos Davis
Carroll Prison April 29,1865

Q. Where were you when they first drove up?
A.In bed.

Q. Did they knock or call?
A. They knocked at the door. I did not hear them knock. I heard the doctor knock at the kitchen door to
    wake Frank Washington to take the horses. I got up in a few minutes and went around to the stable.

Q. What kind of horses were they?
A. One was a roan horse, medium size, a mark about the saddle where he had been hurt;mark was behind saddle, an old sore.; his shoulder was swelled right smart; the swelling of the shoulder was fresh; swelled right smart; he was a light roan.

The other was a bay mare. the colored man told me he had a white star on his forehead. I did not notice;
she was lame in her left front leg (,) she was very lame before taken out of the stable and taken to water
about 10 or 11 o'clock.




18  General Category / All Things Lincoln Assassination / Re: Trivia Question on: April 03, 2014, 08:09:34 AM
Waterboarding, Chairsurfing, it's all the same. In 1672, John Allen ( Allen's Fresh) was commissioned to build
the first courthouse in Charles County. Charles Calvert (Lord Baltimore) ordered that a ducking stool should be placed at Popes Creek for use by the court. It was used to inflict maximum terror, just as it is today. I'll bet it works!
19  General Category / All Things Lincoln Assassination / Re: What if? on: April 02, 2014, 07:38:28 AM
On the night of the assassination, Lewis Powell's horse was found less than a mile from the Navy Yard Bridge. This statement from George Atzerodt in the LAS File seems to indicate that he and Powell met up after the
assassination.

"I understood that Woods came from Virginia, but don't know what county." "Woods was to kill Seward."
"I went up to Woods to the Navy Yard about 12 o'clock after the assassination.".

On the evening of the assassination, Booth told Atzerodt to get his horse and go to the Eastern Branch. (Navy Yard Bridge) Judging by where Powell's horse was found at Lincoln Hospital, it looks like he went south towards the Navy Yard Bridge and not north towards Baltimore.  (Lincoln Hospital was labeled Ft. Lincoln by mistake)



You have to hand it to George Atzerodt. He actually returned the horse that he rented on the day of the
assassination.
" I am one of the proprietors of the livery stable at Eighth & E Streets."
" On the 14th of April last, about half past 2 in the day, I let the prisoner, Atzerodt, have out of my stable a small
bay mare."
"I was not there when the horse was returned. When I went to the stable next morning, the horse was
there."
                                                                                             James Kelleher

..and Samuel Smith, stable boy for Mr. Kelleher,

"I was at the stable on the night of the 14th April last. The bay mare that was let out about 2 o'clock was returned
in the course of the evening; It was about 11 o'clock."

....atta boy George!  Grin

20  General Category / All Things Lincoln Assassination / Re: Trivia Question on: April 02, 2014, 07:21:54 AM
Well, you won't have to twist my arm! Ha!  Cheesy
21  General Category / All Things Lincoln Assassination / Re: Trivia Question on: April 01, 2014, 10:10:14 AM
Unfortunately, this type of chair was used for simulated drownings, and those sentenced to "ducking" were
usually convicted criminals. This was used in Charles County during colonial times. I'm not sure when the practice ended. The courthouse, at the time, was less than a mile from Rich Hill and "Old Ducky" was strung over Pope's
Creek about 4 miles away near Capt. Billy's Crabhouse.
 
I hope the judge gave a particular number of duckings instead of a particular length of time to be under. Shocked


22  General Category / All Things Lincoln Assassination / Re: Trivia Question on: April 01, 2014, 08:02:44 AM
If we include those who were brutally interrogated, many more would have fit into the category of physically affected. There may have been instances where prisoners, such as those "in-terror-gated" by Col.Wells, were left with physical reminders of their time in captivity.
 
.... good thing Charles County did away with the "Ducking Stool" at Pope's Creek.  Grin
                                
                                                            stock photo
23  General Category / All Things Lincoln Assassination / Re: Ride to Zekiah Swamp on: March 28, 2014, 05:36:59 AM
Thanks Cliff, but I think it may have been more of a fluke than detective work. I almost left it in the swamp
because I thought it was just a piece of trash just as the detractors said it would be. After all, according to
some, I'm searching nothing more than someones trash pit. I just don't believe that is the case here. The
relics found so far belonged to either horse or soldier. Here's another piece of metal that I found about ten
feet away from the relic I posted above. The relic is shown (at right) along with examples of 5 horseshoe nails.

There are properties in the swamp that may actually preserve iron relics. Although found in a differnent
enviornment, (peat bog)  this guy proves that swamps can preserve in the most incredible ways.
http://www.livescience.com/38989-best-preserved-bog-people.html

P.S. I'm sure that Nat Geo will play the Booth episode to death, like all of the others.

Adding to to mystery..
Many are unaware that Silas Cobb stated that Booth's bay mare was wearing a single bridle (Cobb pg.364 The Evidence Edwards &Steers) when he allowed Booth to cross over the Navy Yard Bridge, but when Franklin Robey took the mare to the Zekiah, she was wearing a martingale collar. It was the collar that Robey supposedly kept the ring from when it was torn off while leading the horse through the woods.  ( Robey obit)  The Cobb statement is corroborated by James Pumphrey, ( The Evidence pg.1067) the person who rented the horse to Booth on the afternoon of the assassination. " The  bridle was English, snaffle bit with one rein."  One piece that is used with a martingale collar immediately caught my eye. This is a martingale collar.


...and this is what caught my attention.


..because this was found by Donza Watson. He picked it up at the relic site while hunting in the Zekiah about five or six years ago.


Herold's grey roan was wearing a double bridle like this..


                                                                      
David E. Herold came to our stable, in company with the prisoner, Atzerodt, about a quarter to 1 o'clock, on the 14th of April, and engaged a horse, which he asked me to for him, and he would call for it at 4 o'clock. At a quarter past 4 he came and asked me how much I would charge him for the hire of the horse. I told him five dollars. He wanted it for four. I told him he could not have it for that. He knew the horse, and inquired for that particular one. I went down to the stable with him, and told him to take a mare that was in the stable; but he would not have her. I then told him I would give the other horse.
 
He then wanted to see the saddles and bridles. I showed him a saddle,and he said it was too small. Then I showed him another. That suited him very well, only that it had not the kind of stirrups he wanted. The stirrups were covered with leather, and he wanted a pair of English steel stirrups. He then wanted to see the bridles. I took him into the office and showed him the bridles, and he picked out a double-reined bridle. Before he mounted the horse he asked me how late he could stay out with him. I told him he could stay out no later than 8 o'clock or 9, at furthest. After that hour I became very uneasy about the horse, and wanted to see about it before I closed up the stable; and that is how I got to see Atzerodt and Herold.

                                                                                                       John Fletcher, Nailor's Stables
                                                                                                        (Poore I;326, Pitman 83,145)
This bradoon was also found at the relic site by Mr. Watson.




Both horses were wearing English stirrups, like the one below, which was found at the site by Mr.Watson.


 
Silas T. Cobb
Sgt.Co F, 3rd Mass. Heavy Artillery,
"I was on duty Friday night, April 14,1865 at the Navy Yard Bridge, at the Washington City end, from dark
until one o'clock. About ten or eleven o'clock I noticed two horsemen pass the bridge from Washington. The
first passed from twenty to twenty-five minutes of eleven; he was mounted on a bright bay horse, rather
below medium size, dark legs, long tail and mane. "He had a single bridle, black saddle and English stirrups."


And, both horses were wearing shoes..



                  
                                                          


24  General Category / All Things Lincoln Assassination / Re: "Diggers" tonight on Nat Geo on: March 26, 2014, 07:35:12 AM
Hold on now Randal, one thing we can take away from this is that you should only run around screaming, hollaring and cartwheeling like an idiot when you actually find something. These guys have no clue what they're doing. When I find something in the pond at my relic sight I'm going to do it the right way...

                                         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5D-XQF2VDw

Now go to the bottom of page 4 in  "Ride to Zekiah Swamp"          
25  General Category / All Things Lincoln Assassination / Re: Ride to Zekiah Swamp on: March 26, 2014, 07:03:12 AM
Thanks Crowza,
I'm not sure when black powder season comes in around here but I see another test coming down the pike!
If they used a pistol, then I need to be certain that Cox could have heard it while standing on the hill. I'm
fairly confident that he did. Thanks again for your help and the great info in your post.

moving along.. My post regarding the show 'Diggers" was done mostly to show that it's not reality. You can't just dig something up and start placing monetary values on it because you think you know what it is. Some may accuse me of the same offense, but since I don't own any of the relics found in the Zekiah, I can safely say that I do this for nothing more than the enjoyment of having a really cool hobby. Having said that, I'd like to give my take on researching one of the relics that was found using a metal detector.

 A couple of years ago, Donza Watson, the gentleman who found nearly all of the relics in the Zekiah, called and informed me that the relic site had dried up. I knew that I had to get there soon because the first rains would flood the site in no time. The following day, with metal detector in tow, I went to the swamp with high hopes of finding something that belonged to either one of the horses. I started getting hits on the devise and began finding screws and a wierd looking thing that looked like a metal handle for a kitchen drawer.
Then I found this...

My first thought was WOW! I just found the hook that John Wilkes used on his fishing pole! Then I realized that my day had slipped by and it was time to leave, with nothing to show for my efforts. I kept this little piece of metal and a few months later, while seaching websites on Civil War uniforms, one item that caught my attention was worn by the United States Colored Regmts.


Then I read this..

The swamps tributary to the various branches of the Wicomico river, of which the chief feeder is Allen's creek, bear various names, such as Jordan's swamp, Atchall's swamp, and Scrub swamp. There are dense growths of dogwood, gum, and beech, planted in sluices of water and bog; and their width varies from a half mile to four miles, while their length is upwards of sixteen miles. Frequent deep ponds dot this wilderness place, with here and there a stretch of dry soil, but no human being inhabits the malarious extent; even a hunted murderer would shrink from hiding there. Serpents and slimy lizards are the only denizens; sometimes the coon takes refuge in this desert from the hounds, and in the soil mud a thousand odorous muskrats delve, with now and then a tremorous otter. But not even the hunted negro dares to fathom the treacherous clay, nor make himself a fellow of the slimy reptiles which reign absolute in this terrible solitude. Here the soldiers prepared to seek for the President's assassin, and no search of the kind has ever been so thorough and patient. The Shawnee, in his strong hold of despair in the heart of Okefenokee , would scarcely have changed homes with Wilkes Booth and David Harold, hiding in this inhuman country. P

                                             (Stock photo)
The military forces deputed to pursue the fugitives were seven hundred men of the Eighth Illinois cavalry, six hundred men of the Twenty-second Colored troops, and one hundred men of the Sixteenth New York. These swept the swamps by detachments, the mass of them dismounted, with cavalry at the belts of clearing, interspersed with detectives at frequent intervals in the rear. They first formed a strong picket cordon entirely around the swamps, and then, drawn up in two orders of battle, advanced boldly into the bogs by two lines of march. One party swept the swamps longitudinally, the other pushed straight across their smallest diameter.
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                          The Life, Crime and Capture of John Wilkes Booth  George Alfred Townsend

So I decided to have another look at that little piece of metal.








  

 


 



26  General Category / All Things Lincoln Assassination / "Diggers" tonight on Nat Geo on: March 25, 2014, 07:41:59 PM
at 10:00 ( EST ) tonight Nat Geo will have KG and Ringy in Maryland " following John Wilkes Booth". Hopefully they won't have
" pre- dug" holes like we see on most of their shows. I'm not sure about these two... Roll Eyes.    In 20 minutes!
27  General Category / Steven G. Miller's "Just For the Record" / Re: new photo of Lincoln's funeral in New York? on: March 25, 2014, 07:29:21 PM
Looks like a great find. Thanks for posting this Steve! Don't forget to watch " Diggers " tonight at ten on Nat Geo.
" following the trail of John Wilkes Booth"  Smiley
28  General Category / All Things Lincoln Assassination / Re: Ride to Zekiah Swamp on: March 25, 2014, 06:47:09 PM
Devil's advocate?  Shocked  Well, now that you mention it, go to page 666 (The Evidence) and read the statement
of David Herold. For those who do not have a copy, here ya go..

 "I went to Maryland between the 21st and the 1st of April, when the horse fell with me"
 "In jumping a fence I knocked my ankle out of place, and was in bed for two weeks"


Mary Surratt said to John Lloyd " speak of the devil.... Grin
29  General Category / All Things Lincoln Assassination / Re: Herold's Confession on: March 25, 2014, 10:02:29 AM
Hi Rick,
Here is a portion of Herold's statement on page. 677 in The Evidence, Edwards & Steers

" I am going; I don't intend to be burnt alive". I went to the door and knocked. Booth says "Let him out;
that young man is innocent." " The capain then said to me, " Whoever you are, come out with your hands up."
I did so. He took a pair of gloves and a piece of map; that was all I had. The officer says, "Come, stand by the house". He caught me by  the colllar, and as I turned around I heard a pistol shot, looked around, and saw the corner of the barn in a blaze. They jerked the barn door open. Booth was lying there.


I'm with you Rick, I believe that Booth died at the Garrett's farm, and Herold seems to confirm that the man in the barn was Booth. The name Boyd was just a cover, IMO
30  General Category / All Things Lincoln Assassination / Re: Ride to Zekiah Swamp on: March 25, 2014, 09:12:32 AM
Crowza, listening to the gunshots in the video, do you think that the weapons you mentioned might be a little louder? My first concern about Cox's story (about being on the hill and hearing the shots) was that a pistol shot might not be heard from the distance I'm testing from.
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