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« on: June 06, 2012, 06:18:48 PM »

I know we can only speculate on the "What if" part of this question.  I am curious as to what people here think that had Herold not "left Powell to fate" what may have happened.

Do you feel that having Powell along for the get away would have helped or somewhat even hindered Booth more in his escape?


I love seeing the discussions that can come from you all on these subjects and hope that my rare questions are worthwhile subjects for discussion  Grin.
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2012, 08:19:26 PM »

For the kind of escape they were attempting, I think two is the perfect number. I think any additional people would have been a hindrance. Speed and stealth were what they needed, and I'm not sure how Powell would have helped in that respect. One additional person might not have been too bad, but if all four of them had tried to escape together, I think it would have been a real mess. That said, I'm not sure Herold abandoned Powell. Especially after reading Alias Payne, I don't think Powell needed any help finding his way around the city. There was a big thread about all that not too long ago. I think Powell might have been planning to go to Baltimore.
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2012, 08:44:49 PM »

I think Powell had a bit of trouble finding his way around the city. At least that is what I got from Betty's book
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2012, 09:26:17 PM »

A few months ago we discussed the fact that there's zero evidence that Herold accompanied Powell to Seward's.
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2012, 05:39:26 AM »

Any evidence that Herold "guided" Powell to Seward's?
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2012, 05:47:59 AM »

Do you think Booth wanted Powell to be caught


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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2012, 06:34:24 AM »

I asked this several months ago, and it went unanswered. I am still curious about it, so I will try again.

Kauffman writes that Powell and Herold were at Seward's and that Powell wanted to delay the attack because one of Seward's doctors was there...i.e. Powell worried that the ruse of Dr. Verdi's medicine wasn't going to work. Since Powell needed time to think he sent Herold to the Kirkwood House to tell Atzerodt to hold off on killing Johnson. Mike writes, "Herold leaped out of the saddle and ran into the Kirkwood House. He wanted to tell Atzerodt not to do anything yet, but the door to his room was locked and nobody answered."

Anyone know where this whole story comes from?
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2012, 06:59:56 AM »

Roger,
On what page did Mike write about that, I assume AB?
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2012, 07:06:41 AM »

Randal, it starts on the very bottom of p. 224 and continues on p. 225 of AB.
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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2012, 07:32:54 AM »

                             

                                                                                                                                          1. Ford's Theater
                                                                                                                                          2 .Seward house
                                                                                                                                          3. William Bell lost sight of Powell at 15th & I near Vermont Ave
                                                                                                                                          4. Powell's horse found here. ( pouring sweat,  Lt. Toffey)
                                                                                                                                          5. Glenwood Cemetery
                                                                                                                                          6. Navy Yard Bridge
                                                                                                                                          White oval indicates five point intersection/





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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2012, 10:20:00 AM »

Thanks, Joe.  That's a great map.

Can you add where Thomas Price found Powell's bloody coat?  According to Price's testimony, the coat was found on a grassy road in the woods northeast of the city between Fort Bunker Hill and Fort Saratoga. 
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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2012, 11:32:39 AM »

Unless the horse roamed a lot, it does not appear that Powell was heading North although I am not that familiar with the area. Would he have been attempting to cross the river by going East and then heading north to Balt.?
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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2012, 11:54:45 AM »

Thank you ladies!  Smiley  I placed another map above the one already posted. Thanks for suggesting it, Laurie.  Wink
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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2012, 12:11:33 PM »

That's great, Joe.  Thanks!

Betty, do you think Powell was wandering around in Glenwood Cemetery and not in Congressional Cemetery?
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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2012, 06:20:17 AM »

 Since there is no evidence that Herold went with Powell to Sewards AND Atzerodt says Herold was the man assigned to shoot Johnson AND there is testimony that a man was rattling doors at the Kirkwood just before the assassination .... ..isn't more likely that Atzerodt was being truthful and Herold was at the hotel trying to complete his mission?
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